#1 2018-07-04 11:27:14

This interview is uncanny because my views match the subject's almost down to the commas and periods, and I suspect I'm not the only High Streeter here who sees it this way.

Why capitalism wont survive without socialism

We think of capitalism as being locked in an ideological battle with socialism, but we never really saw that capitalism might be defeated by its own child technology...

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics … revolution

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#2 2018-07-04 13:57:13

All this talk of Capitalism vs Socialism is a smoke screen for the real friction between the Oligarchy and the Proletariat. We have both in this country, the Oligarchy deciding how to split the pie between themselves, and leaving the proles to squabble over how to divide the rest. The problem is that the oligarchy can (chooses to) hire smarter people than the proletariat, so the proles never even know how much the oligarchy is leaving them.

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#3 2018-07-04 14:12:35

GooberMcNutly wrote:

All this talk of Capitalism vs Socialism is a smoke screen for the real friction between the Oligarchy and the Proletariat. We have both in this country, the Oligarchy deciding how to split the pie between themselves, and leaving the proles to squabble over how to divide the rest. The problem is that the oligarchy can (chooses to) hire smarter people than the proletariat, so the proles never even know how much the oligarchy is leaving them.

Except for the way you framed this (as a conflict between our views), I don't think we disagree. Nor do I find what you say and what the article says to be incompatible.

I believe that inequality can only go so far without a societal collapse, resulting in either dictatorial authoritarianism (e.g., North Korea), some form of revolution which leads to a more equitable distribution of resources, or the third alternative -- the collapse of civilization as we have come to understand it. I think this is what the author was hinting at, as well, in the final sentence of the article when he says "The problem is that prolonged madness simply compounds the disaster to come when sanity finally sets in."

In other words, the longer we wait to address this problem, the more likely that the result will be anarchy rather than adaption.

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#4 2018-07-04 15:02:47

GooberMcNutly wrote:

The problem is that the oligarchy can (chooses to) hire smarter people than the proletariat, so the proles never even know how much the oligarchy is leaving them.

True, and that's how a joker like Trump can succeed for a while selling nothing but magic beans. I think Trump has made it clear he wants to go after Social Security and Medicaid next. If he does, I think we'll finally see the limits of how much you can fool people with smoke and mirrors.

While the oligarchs may have the brains, those on the other side outnumbers them a million to one. Myself, I'm sticking with the people.

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#5 2018-07-04 18:32:12

The drama of american style politics.  America is very much a balanced mixture of Capitalism AND Socialism, the money is all in maintaining the proper balance and who pays for what.

Internet access should be considered a right the same as safe passage is and on the other hand people should be able to survive on the internet without needing 100GB connections.  Yes it won't be as pretty and yes every company will bitch about having to provide a low speed access point but that's how shit works.  Yes it might be a grated gravel road but you have a fucking road and the mailman comes every day - that's all we owe you for.  (Well clean water, etc but you get my point).

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