#1 2018-02-15 11:46:17

Sending 'thoughts and prayers' appears to be making things worse. Can I suggest we stop that shit?

Trump Signs Bill Revoking Obama-Era Gun Checks for People With Mental Illnesses

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/tr … al-n727221

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#2 2018-02-15 13:14:32

I was a very assertive, aggressive kid. In the second grade I actually gave a teacher a black eye. I punched my music teacher because I didnít think he knew anything about music and I almost got expelled.

D Trump - "The Art of the Deal"

Today's tweet:

@realDonaldTrump

So many signs that the Florida shooter was mentally disturbed, even expelled from school for bad and erratic behavior. Neighbors and classmates knew he was a big problem. Must always report such instances to authorities, again and again!

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#3 2018-02-15 14:41:43

Australia confiscated 650,000 guns. Murders and suicides plummeted.

https://s17.postimg.cc/o7hk0ecgf/3afa38d8.jpg

...It is worth considering, as one data point in the pool of evidence about what sorts of gun control policies do and do not work, the experience of Australia. Between October 1996 and September 1997, Australia responded to its own gun violence problem with a solution that was both straightforward and severe: It collected roughly 650,000 privately held guns. It was one of the largest mandatory gun buyback programs in recent history.

And it worked...

https://www.vox.com/2015/8/27/9212725/australia-buyback

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#4 2018-02-15 16:22:15

Nothing here that I disagree with.

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#5 2018-02-15 16:38:34

Smudge wrote:

Australia confiscated 650,000 guns. Murders and suicides plummeted.

https://s17.postimg.org/o7hk0ecgf/3afa38d8.jpg

...It is worth considering, as one data point in the pool of evidence about what sorts of gun control policies do and do not work, the experience of Australia. Between October 1996 and September 1997, Australia responded to its own gun violence problem with a solution that was both straightforward and severe: It collected roughly 650,000 privately held guns. It was one of the largest mandatory gun buyback programs in recent history.

And it worked...

https://www.vox.com/2015/8/27/9212725/australia-buyback

Yeah, we've been trying to shove that piece of truth down the pro-gun people's throats for a long time.  Forget murders and suicides, mass-murders have almost completely disappeared from the Australian landscape.  It will never work here because they're all afraid that the white people would turn in their guns (even though it wasn't even all the guns) and the blacks and Hispanics wouldn't.

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#6 2018-02-15 17:08:39

Baywolfe wrote:

Smudge wrote:

Australia confiscated 650,000 guns. Murders and suicides plummeted.

https://s17.postimg.org/o7hk0ecgf/3afa38d8.jpg

...It is worth considering, as one data point in the pool of evidence about what sorts of gun control policies do and do not work, the experience of Australia. Between October 1996 and September 1997, Australia responded to its own gun violence problem with a solution that was both straightforward and severe: It collected roughly 650,000 privately held guns. It was one of the largest mandatory gun buyback programs in recent history.

And it worked...

https://www.vox.com/2015/8/27/9212725/australia-buyback

Yeah, we've been trying to shove that piece of truth down the pro-gun people's throats for a long time.  Forget murders and suicides, mass-murders have almost completely disappeared from the Australian landscape.  It will never work here because they're all afraid that the white people would turn in their guns (even though it wasn't even all the guns) and the blacks and Hispanics wouldn't.

No, I didn't post any of this because I expected it would change anything. But even so, at least I get the minimal satisfaction which comes from speaking the truth -- even when there are forces which would attempt to prevent me from doing so.

I suspect that even here at High-Street the majority would oppose my views, and I consider the audience here to be far more sophisticated than average (see, you guys got me fooled).

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#7 2018-02-15 17:30:44

Smudge wrote:

I suspect that even here at High-Street the majority would oppose my views, and I consider the audience here to be far more sophisticated than average (see, you guys got me fooled).

The funny part is the majority of the combat vets I know despise weapons.  Odd and anecdotal, yet if you take weapons as seriously as one should they are mostly a pain in the ass to possess. I don't even begin to understand the fascination these numskulls have...

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#8 2018-02-15 19:18:26

It is #Verseday and we have a heavy heart. Children are being killed in our schools and our nation seems incapable of focusing on a common sense response. In the end, let us not forget those who have perished and the families and friends whose lives will be forever shattered.

In our grief, poetry can help channel our brewing emotions into more tangible thought. So today we have chosen a poem from W. H. Auden to remember the young lives lost.

"Funeral Blues"

Stop all the clocks, cut off the telephone,
Prevent the dog from barking with a juicy bone,
Silence the pianos and with muffled drum
Bring out the coffin, let the mourners come.

Let aeroplanes circle moaning overhead
Scribbling on the sky the message 'He is Dead'.
Put crepe bows round the white necks of the public doves,
Let the traffic policemen wear black cotton gloves.

He was my North, my South, my East and West,
My working week and my Sunday rest,
My noon, my midnight, my talk, my song;
I thought that love would last forever: I was wrong.

The stars are not wanted now; put out every one,
Pack up the moon and dismantle the sun,
Pour away the ocean and sweep up the wood;
For nothing now can ever come to any good.

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#9 2018-02-15 19:39:48

America doesn't give a shit about children. Gun company profits are far more important than any number of dead children.

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#10 2018-02-15 20:55:22

fnord wrote:

America doesn't give a shit about children. Gun company profits are far more important than any number of dead children.

Apparently, you are correct.  Although the problems that Remington is having is an indicator that they are even their own worst enemies.  They would have profited much more with another Democrat in the Oval Office.

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#11 2018-02-16 19:54:59

I'll admit to a drinky poo (two), but I've been trying to write something about the massacre problems that the USA has been having lately. This is what I have so far,

USA is a culture of independent thinking and independent living. We want to live completely unregulated. When it comes to guns, no regulations mean that bad people will get guns. Even good people, may, go insane, and they may use a gun they already own in the commission of a crime. Background checks can't tell if someone is on the edge of insanity. Background checks should be as thorough as possible, but we need to understand, that a background check is not going to fix the problem.

Can we really expect US citizens to simply give up their guns, or accept any gun restriction? Guns founded this nation and have kept it free. We should allow gun ownership to anyone of military service age, who has not been found mentally incompetent or unstable. However, We cannot protect every single person from bad, or insane people, who might be carrying a gun. We should only plan on being able to limit the damage done by a gun wielding insane person.

How can we do that? In the case of the Marjory Stoneman Douglas Highschool, stepped up security would have been a starting point. The school only had one armed security guard.  In actuality, the school should have had one armed security guard for each door. Not a plain old security guard, a real security hero.  In fact, every publicly accessible building, school, movie theater, cafeteria, etc. should have each entry door, exit door, emergency exit or loading dock, covered by a security hero. A double door is TWO DOORS, and would require TWO security heroes. Each security hero should wear a miniature portable EKG or some other form of heart monitor, which would report back to the an automatic monitoring system.  If any hero's heart monitor flat lined or went crazy with activity, the police swat team would be dispatched immediately.  I am, indeed, calling for security heroes to be canaries in the coal mine.  If they die, something bad is happening. Security heroes would not be useless canaries, though.  Security heroes would carry semi-automatic 12-gauge shotguns loaded with minimum 00 buckshot rounds, and with a minimum 30 round capacity. Each security hero would be required to carry several magazines. Security heroes should feel emboldened to run toward suspected shooting incidents and to fire at will, as security heroes would be indemnified against prosecution and civil legal action, provided they were firing during a perceived security incident. There will be accidents, but only negligence would be civilly liable.

At Marjory Stoneman Douglas Highschool 17 out of more than 325,000,000 Americans died. That's less than a 20 millionth of our population. We can't let such a small number dictate to us, how we should live our lives.

Invest in security heroes.

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#12 2018-02-16 22:32:13

It's quality writing but you'll never get me to believe that, in situations like this, violence can be defeated by more violence.  Unless you think that Americans are just more homicidal by nature, then getting rid of most of the guns a proven solution.  There are very few moral absolutes in this world and almost all of them are followed by large body counts.

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#13 2018-02-17 13:17:52

Platymingo wrote:

The school only had one armed security guard...

"Thereís man all over for you, blaming on his boots the faults of his feet"
Waiting for Godot, Samuel Beckett

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#14 2018-02-18 01:38:57

Platymingo wrote:

I'll admit to a drinky poo (two), but I've been trying to write something about the massacre problems that the USA has been having lately. This is what I have so far,

USA is a culture of independent thinking and independent living. We want to live completely unregulated. When it comes to guns, no regulations mean that bad people will get guns. Even good people, may, go insane, and they may use a gun they already own in the commission of a crime. Background checks can't tell if someone is on the edge of insanity. Background checks should be as thorough as possible, but we need to understand, that a background check is not going to fix the problem.

Can we really expect US citizens to simply give up their guns, or accept any gun restriction? Guns founded this nation and have kept it free. We should allow gun ownership to anyone of military service age, who has not been found mentally incompetent or unstable. However, We cannot protect every single person from bad, or insane people, who might be carrying a gun. We should only plan on being able to limit the damage done by a gun wielding insane person.

How can we do that? In the case of the Marjory Stoneman Douglas Highschool, stepped up security would have been a starting point. The school only had one armed security guard.  In actuality, the school should have had one armed security guard for each door. Not a plain old security guard, a real security hero.  In fact, every publicly accessible building, school, movie theater, cafeteria, etc. should have each entry door, exit door, emergency exit or loading dock, covered by a security hero. A double door is TWO DOORS, and would require TWO security heroes. Each security hero should wear a miniature portable EKG or some other form of heart monitor, which would report back to the an automatic monitoring system.  If any hero's heart monitor flat lined or went crazy with activity, the police swat team would be dispatched immediately.  I am, indeed, calling for security heroes to be canaries in the coal mine.  If they die, something bad is happening. Security heroes would not be useless canaries, though.  Security heroes would carry semi-automatic 12-gauge shotguns loaded with minimum 00 buckshot rounds, and with a minimum 30 round capacity. Each security hero would be required to carry several magazines. Security heroes should feel emboldened to run toward suspected shooting incidents and to fire at will, as security heroes would be indemnified against prosecution and civil legal action, provided they were firing during a perceived security incident. There will be accidents, but only negligence would be civilly liable.

At Marjory Stoneman Douglas Highschool 17 out of more than 325,000,000 Americans died. That's less than a 20 millionth of our population. We can't let such a small number dictate to us, how we should live our lives.

Invest in security heroes.

I've been working on little something myself.  Here goes:

dear gun grabbers
go fuck yourselves
word

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#15 2018-02-18 07:08:30

You have to admit that this was a very Trumponian sequence of events.

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#16 2018-02-18 09:52:42

Appeasing the Trigger Gods

...Then I gave up. If the sight of slaughtered angels did not dent the nationís conscience, could anything? We knew that other countries could stem mass killings, homicides and suicides with gun control and gun buybacks. But we didnít care.

In our ongoing angst about our national identity ó if we werenít John Wayne anymore, who were we? ó there had been a terrible tacit judgment made: America would accept periodic human sacrifices to the trigger gods in the interest of upholding this bizarre notion that the Second Amendment is inviolate or even really threatened. We canít even summon the energy to break the chokehold that the N.R.A. has on Republicans in Congress...

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/17/opin … -gods.html

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#17 2018-02-18 19:09:26

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#18 2018-02-19 09:34:28

I get a feel like this is less about *what* the moral high ground is than *who* gets to claim it.

That's the problem.

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#19 2018-02-19 10:03:02

GooberMcNutly wrote:

I get a feel like this is less about *what* the moral high ground is than *who* gets to claim it.

That's the problem.

I'm still a fan of the Aussie Laws.  No Auto-loading weapons.

Just stop sales of them now and let things slowly work their way out.

Yes that means single action revolvers, pump/bolt/lever action rifles & shotguns.  Only the military needs auto-loading weapons.

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#20 2018-02-19 10:32:19

GooberMcNutly wrote:

I get a feel like this is less about *what* the moral high ground is than *who* gets to claim it.

That's the problem.

And I feel it's exactly the reverse.

I can think of few arguments that I would rather avoid, few more thankless or any less satisfying tasks, or more Sisyphean challenges than pointing out the absolute insanity of the majority opinion of guns rights in America. But I've simply had enough, and I'm going to keep speaking the truth, because for whatever reason I'm not caught up in the collective trance. You might think it's fun to be the one guy in the nut house who isn't actually insane, but trust me on this; it's not.

I don't give a fuck if 98% of the people who read this disagree with me, and think less of me for having said it, but our current posture with regards to guns is nothing more nor less than collective insanity.

Americans are gripped in a mania about guns, and are ignoring the obvious truths which are plainly evident to almost everyone else in the world; our childish and slavish fascination with guns is causing levels of death and destruction which we would not tolerate if they were the result of a major war. These are Vietnam War level casualties we are experiencing, and for no good reason.

You don't need to listen to me. The shooters are telling you the same thing, and they are going to keep on stacking the bodies like cord wood until they get heard.

It's time for people to take their heads out of the sand and really look at what's going on.

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#21 2018-02-19 11:44:49

Emmeran wrote:

GooberMcNutly wrote:

I get a feel like this is less about *what* the moral high ground is than *who* gets to claim it.

That's the problem.

I'm still a fan of the Aussie Laws.  No Auto-loading weapons.

Just stop sales of them now and let things slowly work their way out.

Yes that means single action revolvers, pump/bolt/lever action rifles & shotguns.  Only the military needs auto-loading weapons.

The problem with that is, if you don't combine it with mandatory weapons buyout like Australia did, you'll have these legacy weapons being bought and sold for decades, if not centuries.

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#22 2018-02-19 12:34:04

Baywolfe wrote:

Emmeran wrote:

GooberMcNutly wrote:

I get a feel like this is less about *what* the moral high ground is than *who* gets to claim it.

That's the problem.

I'm still a fan of the Aussie Laws.  No Auto-loading weapons.

Just stop sales of them now and let things slowly work their way out.

Yes that means single action revolvers, pump/bolt/lever action rifles & shotguns.  Only the military needs auto-loading weapons.

The problem with that is, if you don't combine it with mandatory weapons buyout like Australia did, you'll have these legacy weapons being bought and sold for decades, if not centuries.

Baby steps my friend, we are dealing with fanatics on this one.

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#23 2018-02-19 13:42:06

Emmeran wrote:

Baby steps my friend, we are dealing with fanatics on this one.

So true.

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#24 2018-02-20 20:20:03

https://68.media.tumblr.com/067f1e039538fe762cacc1646ff4c718/tumblr_p4gam8DEmC1qzft56o1_1280.jpg

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/st … says-colu/

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