#326 2017-05-16 18:21:02

You have to wonder how many smoking guns it's going to take before the Republican leadership realizes they have no choice but to launch a full bore criminal investigation of Trump's many attempts to pervert the course of justice:

Comey Memo Says Trump Asked Him to End Flynn Investigation

WASHINGTON — President Trump asked the F.B.I. director, James B. Comey, to shut down the federal investigation into Mr. Trump’s former national security adviser, Michael T. Flynn, in an Oval Office meeting in February, according to a memo Mr. Comey wrote shortly after the meeting.

“I hope you can let this go,” the president told Mr. Comey, according to the memo.

The existence of Mr. Trump’s request is the clearest evidence that the president has tried to directly influence the Justice Department and F.B.I. investigation into links between Mr. Trump’s associates and Russia...

Excerpt from: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/16/us/p … ation.html

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#327 2017-05-16 18:39:35

Baywolfe wrote:

It's funny how many internet articles you can find on "Can a sitting President be charged with Treason, prosecuted, indicted, etc.", many of which were written in the Obama era by conservative websites. 

I'm starting to see a lot for Trump now.

For those of you scoring at home, the process is Indictment, Conviction, Impeachment.  None are guaranteed.

At the federal level, Article II of the United States Constitution states in Section 4 that "The President, Vice President, and all civil Officers of the United States shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other High Crimes and Misdemeanors."

I'd like to believe the Repubs will toss this guy but I suspect he's in office to get the electorate to shut up about how a business man would run the country better.  We might be stuck with him for a while...

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#328 2017-05-16 20:31:10

What it doesn't say is what should happen if they go through with Indictment and Conviction on a lesser charge, solidly in the misdemeanor class, like Failure to Report a Crime aka Accessory After the Fact. Copyright infringement? If the Supremes weigh in on it, then it becomes a constitutional crisis and more tainting of the judicial branch with political pandering.

The GOP might be bickering around the dinner table, but they aren't about to indict, convict or impeach a president of ostensibly their own party. Score one for Trump for picking Pence, someone absolutely nobody wants near the oval office. Better life insurance than a bullet proof vest.

So it's business and usual, never mind the Teapot Dome lurking in the corner.

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#329 2017-05-17 01:00:40

I think this is shifting into entirely new territory, and I suspect that we're watching the Trump presidency begin to unravel. I base this on two assumptions; that there was collusion between Trump's campaign and the Russians, and the FBI has specific knowledge of it. When Trump fired Comey, he basically set up a war between the White House and the FBI. If my assumptions are correct, then it's a war which Trump will lose.

With all of the indications, suggestions, hints, clues and accusations, I simply can't believe that Trump is completely innocent of colluding with the Russians, or of attempting to impede the investigations into the matter after the fact. The only thing which has protected Trump up until this point was the blanket refusal of all of the Republicans in positions of power to endorse a serious investigation. That changed this evening:

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/33373 … comey-memo

President Pence is a real possibility, but like Gerald Ford after Nixon, Pence will not be viewed as a legitimate holder of the office, and his ability to wreck havoc will be limited.

I think Trump stands a very real chance of going down.

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#330 2017-05-17 09:34:16

The GOP has switched their stance to "Anything a President chooses to tell somebody, automatically becomes declassified." 

"The President, after all, is the ‘Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States’" according to Article II of the Constitution, the court’s majority wrote. "His authority to classify and control access to information bearing on national security ... flows primarily from this constitutional investment of power in the President, and exists quite apart from any explicit congressional grant."

"Steven Aftergood, director of the Federation of American Scientists Project on Government Secrecy, said that such authority gives the president the authority to "classify and declassify at will."

This is not quite true.  The President must first complete a process to declassify the information and there is no indication that this was done.

"There’s no question that the president has broad authority to declassify almost anything at any time without any process, but that’s not what happened here," said Stephen I. Vladeck, professor at the University of Texas School of Law. "He did not, in fact, declassify the information he shared with the Russians, which is why the Washington Post did not publish that information."

So he'll probably skate on the premise that, much like everything else about the office, the President didn't know there were actually rules in place regarding his behavior.  All politics and politicians stink these days but if this were Obama and not Trump the GOP and their cronies would be demanding impeachment and execution.

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#331 2017-05-17 10:30:37

Just trust in the fact that his gaffe's only increase in seriousness as time progresses, he's never had to play by rules before and he's tripping over each and every one of them.

Remember - this is a guy who was born with a silver spoon stuck up his ass...

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#332 2017-05-17 10:48:55

Emmeran wrote:

Just trust in the fact that his gaffe's only increase in seriousness as time progresses, he's never had to play by rules before and he's tripping over each and every one of them.

Remember - this is a guy who was born with a silver spoon stuck up his ass...

He is also a paranoid, delusional, narcissist, the engine that fuels serial killers and other sociopaths.  If the delusion is ever shattered, he's liable to go Hyper-Nixon on all of us.  In the interim, Representative Al Green (D-Texas) of all people is going to call for impeachment of the President.  Hard to see that going anywhere.  Too early, wrong person, wrong party.

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#333 2017-05-17 11:48:16

I think Trump's base of support is so slim that his presidency could unravel with startling speed. In fact, I think it's already started.

Remember, Nixon had the 'silent majority' behind him. Trump has never seen majority support at any point in his campaign or presidency. Now he's down to about one in three (and falling).

I've spent the morning trying to see if I could come up with any examples of the rats returning after abandoning a sinking ship, and I couldn't come up with any. We've gone from impeachment being highly unlikely to probable (or, if not impeachment, resigning to avoid same) in the space of 24 hours.

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#334 2017-05-17 14:30:07

What about the rats going into hiding?

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#335 2017-05-17 16:16:29

I can't answer that one...

https://68.media.tumblr.com/dce3fcc7e78402072e1cdd59d6a83bce/tumblr_oprlg7Cjpv1rgyk96o1_500.gif

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#337 2017-05-20 12:05:49

Out by Christmas:


I don't think it's a sure thing, but it's more likely than not. I'd take the bet too.



http://thehill.com/homenews/media/33436 … -christmas

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#339 2017-05-22 11:35:58

https://i.redditmedia.com/BCclo3QvA_rt5E5vhzH5rdYdcfqxnE8urbR56sXkprI.jpg?w=542&s=f6ebff5347174882d066d22aaae1694a

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#340 2017-05-23 00:03:05

http://high-street.org/uploads/359_img951677.png

Sleeper?

What the hell...?

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#341 2017-05-23 16:54:21

Remaining Countries on Trump’s Itinerary Say They’d Rather Wait a Month and Meet with Next President
By Andy Borowitz

According to one NATO minister, “We don’t see why we should be speaking to Donald Trump when even Melania isn’t doing that.”

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#342 2017-05-23 18:59:25

(^^^,,,Ouch!)

Trump signs the guestbook at the Holocaust Memorial Museum in Jerusalem:

http://i.imgur.com/MyVN5uN.png

(Shouldn't the dot over the "i" be a little heart?)

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#343 2017-05-23 21:41:58

Mugwump wrote:

Remaining Countries on Trump’s Itinerary Say They’d Rather Wait a Month and Meet with Next President
By Andy Borowitz

According to one NATO minister, “We don’t see why we should be speaking to Donald Trump when even Melania isn’t doing that.”

I didn't just lawl; I involuntarily cawed like a raven over here.

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#344 2017-05-23 21:47:28

Smudge wrote:

(^^^,,,Ouch!)

Trump signs the guestbook at the Holocaust Memorial Museum in Jerusalem:

http://i.imgur.com/MyVN5uN.png

(Shouldn't the dot over the "i" be a little heart?)

Serious people are starting to seriously speculate whether Drumpf is suffering some sort of dementia or other mental deterioration:

"He was not always so linguistically challenged."

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#345 2017-05-24 00:45:34

George Orr wrote:

Serious people are starting to seriously speculate whether Drumpf is suffering some sort of dementia or other mental deterioration:

"He was not always so linguistically challenged."

An interesting point you raise, George.

I remember reading at some point during the campaign that there was some concern amongst doctors that the specific drug which Trump has been taking to regrow his hair has been know to cause cognitive problems.

I also think it's a fairly reasonable conjecture that he's under more stress than he's experienced before. That, too, could cause personality aberrations to appear.

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#346 2017-05-24 03:49:47

THE ONION LEAKS A TROVE OF TRUMP DOCS

http://www.newyorker.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Bethea-The-Onion-Leaks-a-Trove-of-Trump-Docs-1200.jpg

http://www.newyorker.com/culture/cultur … trump-docs

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#347 Yesterday 20:14:44

Mexico markets Trump themed tp, proceeds help migrants
http://media.boingboing.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/trumppaper.jpg

Orange Julius-themed toilet paper will hit the shelves this year, and 30% of the profits go towards helping migrants.

http://boingboing.net/2017/05/25/mexico … ed-tp.html

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#349 Yesterday 22:04:15

Jesus Christ, if that isn't a smoking gun, I don't know what is. I see criminal charges coming down the pike.

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#350 Today 02:36:12

"Smoking gun"? More like another god damned "Nothing burger".

What's this hard-on for Russia? We should be getting along.  I don't buy, for one minute, the fake news being spewed: undermining and vilifying all things Russian...or anyone wanting better relations. 

Spent two years in and out of the Russian Far East.  Encountered people who were no more fucked up than Britts, Chinese, Aussies, Filipinos, Thais, Japs Indians, (maybe not the Japs), Italians, Frogs or any fucking body else I've met traipsing the planet.

Around these parts, Ukrainians who are the thieving & poaching bastards...not the Old Believers (Russian descendants). 

Russians are proud people and rightfully proud of their country. They called bullshit on the globalists.  The EU has been co-opted...fuck 'em.

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