#1 2018-08-13 21:54:25

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#2 2018-08-13 23:11:11

Facebark stole 2/3rds of our crowd maybe even more.

The Pied Piper of the Internet and some of our brightest denizens skipped along happily behind the Grand Zucker.

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#3 2018-08-14 13:30:39

Emmeran wrote:

Facebark stole 2/3rds of our crowd maybe even more.

The Pied Piper of the Internet and some of our brightest denizens skipped along happily behind the Grand Zucker.

I don't see why, given the social behavior rules in place there.  If it wasn't for family in far flung locations, I know I wouldn't be on it.

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#5 2018-08-15 06:18:42

Jones is the media equivalent of a trench-coated stalker who jumps out from from behind a mailbox and starts whacking it in an intersection.

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#6 2018-08-15 09:43:27

Yeah, that was a choice line.  I too was concerned about Jones getting the ax on Facebook.  We're back to, who watches the watchers? 

I think we've moved beyond "they're not teaching critical thinking in schools" to resolve this problem.  They never did and some of us managed to stumble across it anyway.  We might be approaching the inevitable swirl down the drain that is The Marching Morons.  I hope our robot masters take control soon.

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#7 2018-08-15 13:54:35

Baywolfe wrote:

I think we've moved beyond "they're not teaching critical thinking in schools" to resolve this problem.  They never did and some of us managed to stumble across it anyway.

Exactly.

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#8 2018-08-15 15:46:20

Smudge wrote:

Baywolfe wrote:

I think we've moved beyond "they're not teaching critical thinking in schools" to resolve this problem.  They never did and some of us managed to stumble across it anyway.

Exactly.

Only parents can teach critical thinking, schools just don't have the capability or capacity.  Teach your children well peoples - it's the only actual value you can pass on to them.

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#9 2018-08-15 17:08:30

Emmeran wrote:

Only parents can teach critical thinking

If I acquired any critical thinking skills at all, I guarantee none of them came from family.

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#10 2018-08-15 17:13:28

I don't think it has to be that way; critical thinking is simply a set of skills and perspectives which can be both taught and learned.

Given the poor state of our educational system, however, I suspect that you're right.

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#11 2018-08-15 20:41:21

choad wrote:

Emmeran wrote:

Only parents can teach critical thinking

If I acquired any critical thinking skills at all, I guarantee none of them came from family.

My father taught me by abandoning me, I figured out I had to figure shit out or beat it into oblivion.

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#12 2018-08-15 22:43:53

I think you learn the skills by being around really smart people who know how to think, and who respect you enough to treat you like you're an idiot whenever you fail to use your head and think things through. I had a couple of professors who taught me a lot.

It's handed down one on one from somebody who cares about you enough to make the effort, and shame provides the motivation.

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#13 2018-08-16 10:35:32

I just think you need to be around someone who has the tenacity to watch you fail and understand that failure is part of the process and how to deal with it instead of letting it scare you into inactivity. Critical thinking starts with applying it to yourself and your own actions.

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#14 2018-08-16 10:50:16

GooberMcNutly wrote:

I just think you need to be around someone who has the tenacity to watch you fail and understand that failure is part of the process and how to deal with it instead of letting it scare you into inactivity. Critical thinking starts with applying it to yourself and your own actions.

And learning to ask why, what is the root cause of anything?  Over and over again.

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#15 2018-08-16 11:56:11

Emmeran wrote:

GooberMcNutly wrote:

I just think you need to be around someone who has the tenacity to watch you fail and understand that failure is part of the process and how to deal with it instead of letting it scare you into inactivity. Critical thinking starts with applying it to yourself and your own actions.

And learning to ask why, what is the root cause of anything?  Over and over again.

Marcus Aurelius.

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#16 2018-08-16 14:13:32

Baywolfe wrote:

Marcus Aurelius.

Over-rated and had tiny hands.

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#17 2018-08-16 15:22:10

Emmeran wrote:

Baywolfe wrote:

Marcus Aurelius.

Over-rated and had tiny hands.

Geeze, what does that make you by comparison, a fucking amoeba?

By the way, "what is the root cause of anything?" was his gig almost two millennia before your sorry existence.

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#18 2018-08-16 15:33:09

Baywolfe wrote:

Geeze, what does that make you by comparison, a fucking amoeba?

By the way, "what is the root cause of anything?" was his gig almost two millennia before your sorry existence.

I am Marcus Emmeranus, I am LEGEND.  All others pale in comparison

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#19 2018-08-16 18:29:51

Emmeran wrote:

Baywolfe wrote:

Geeze, what does that make you by comparison, a fucking amoeba?

By the way, "what is the root cause of anything?" was his gig almost two millennia before your sorry existence.

I am Marcus Emmeranus, I am LEGEND.  All others pale in comparison

...in his own mind ?

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#20 2018-08-16 20:34:17

Emmeran wrote:

choad wrote:

Emmeran wrote:

Only parents can teach critical thinking

If I acquired any critical thinking skills at all, I guarantee none of them came from family.

My father taught me by abandoning me, I figured out I had to figure shit out or beat it into oblivion.

So did mine and I almost hate to confess this but my first brush with critical thinking arrived in Sunday School when I was 11. Our instructor, a Harvard Professor, gave us a broad survey course in comparative religion: who believes what, why and where. Wasn't until he unrolled a world map, dotted lines connecting the faithful, that the lightbulb went off. Epiphany? "Those are trade routes," I said. "And those other guys are their competition!"

I'd just read Pohl‎'s and ‎Kornbluth's 'The Space Merchants'.

As time passed and I realized I could never afford a conventional education, I resorted to obsessing over university course catalogs and sent hundreds of the short form-letter below. The responses were wonderful.

Dear [...]

I'm tutoring my nephew in [name that course] and the knucklehead has either lost or forgotten to forward your course syllabus/reading list.

Please drop a copy into dept mail?

Otherwise, he flunks out, won't find a job, and I'll have to hire him.

Stamped envelope enclosed.

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#21 2018-08-17 07:29:15

Mugwump wrote:

Emmeran wrote:

Baywolfe wrote:

Geeze, what does that make you by comparison, a fucking amoeba?

I am Marcus Emmeranus, I am LEGEND.  All others pale in comparison

...in his own mind ?

Does being a legend any place else really matter?

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#22 2018-08-17 07:36:18

Emmeran wrote:

Mugwump wrote:

Emmeran wrote:


I am Marcus Emmeranus, I am LEGEND.  All others pale in comparison

...in his own mind ?

Does being a legend any place else really matter?

...absolutely not....keep up the good work

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#23 2018-08-17 09:27:20

I just got through reading about belief systems along the Silk Road.  Small world. 

Brilliant idea with the universities.  Nowadays you can even audit certainly university courses for free over the web.  MIT has provided almost all of their catalog.  I'm five years into a class on Solid State Physics that I anticipate being able to complete in just another 200 years or so.

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