#2 2008-07-25 10:04:24

To be fair, the newspapers brought it on themselves.

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#3 2008-07-25 10:33:19

A clusterfuck of that magnitude isn't fair to anyone.

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#4 2008-07-25 12:30:55

All part of our destiny!

They ALL float down here. When you're down here with us, you'll float too! - Pennywise

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#5 2008-07-25 12:55:49

Blame the Internet, it's gangraping the movie studios and record labels just as much, but they have the rectal fortitude to bite the pillow and moan a while longer.

The upside is that media production has been democratized. Here at HS we enjoy the fetid flotsam & jetsam of that more than most. The average traditional journalist has regrettably been the victim of this evolution.

You've probably already seen this, Choad, but just in case:



EDIT: link to Epic if you want to watch in HQ - http://epic.makingithappen.co.uk/

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#6 2008-07-25 13:05:26

The Internet Is No Substitute for the Dying Newspaper Industry

if you're a newspaperman


The decline of newspapers is about the rise of the corporate state, the loss of civic and responsibility to inform the public.

that's funny, I thought newspapers were corporations

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#7 2008-07-25 13:20:52

The Internet will not save newspapers.

No, and the automobile did not save blacksmiths.

A clusterfuck of that magnitude isn't fair to anyone.

Whatever your opinions and predictions might be, this is absolutely true.  It reminds me very strongly of the gutting of the industry my father spent his working life in...He was approaching retirement age, but was jumping from job to job like a teenager, as one plant after another folded under him (and us).

People, choad is experiencing the transformation/extinction of a way of life and an environment in which he's spent much of his life.  My opinion about the meaning of this, and its future effects, are different from his.  Maybe we're wrong and he's right--I hope not--but either way I will not deny his right to mourn.

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#8 2008-07-25 13:43:40

This was in my inbox this morning, if you want to see the latest vital stats on the industry:

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/07/ … papers.php

This patient is dying on the table. Just like the classifieds industry, which got shanked by the non-corporate radical leftwing activist CraigsList right in front of the water cooler. Then there's the directory advertising (yellow pages) business, which is like an Alzheimers sufferer, absentmindedly delivering 6+ volumes of epic treekill to my door every year. I use that shit only to sight in my pellet rifle.

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#9 2008-07-25 14:12:40

One of the things that strikes me most about the decline of the newspaper industry isn't so much the loss of medium as a conduit for news - although as a former journalist I'm keenly aware of this - but I'm particularly concerned about the loss of a medium for the exchange of opinion.

Granted, the Internet thrives on opinion but generally newspapers provide a level, moderated playing field for the expression of ideas about issues on a local level. I've yet to see anything as well done online as it is in the best newspapers. When we lose newspapers, we'll lose access to measured, thoughtful editorial writing in a controlled environment with specific rules.

For all I love about the Internet, it's still too chaotic to be democratic and is often little better than a free-for-all between poo-slinging monkeys.

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#10 2008-07-25 14:13:38

orangeplus wrote:

The Internet Is No Substitute for the Dying Newspaper Industry

if you're a newspaperman

In council and court rooms across the country, reporters had your back and the suits in the boardroom could fuck themselves if they didn't like it. The were working stiffs who gave a shit. Sorry, O+, they're gone now and you got nobody.

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#11 2008-07-25 14:30:47

choad wrote:

The were working stiffs who gave a shit. Sorry, O+, they're gone now and you got nobody.

They were working stiff who gave a shit about their job, not about my back. I am far far better informed with a far better amount and quality of opinion and news than I ever got from dead trees.

You're welcome to your feelings, but I do not morn, and do not see an apocalypse. What I see are professionals decrying the death of the medium they were comfortable with, nothing more.

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#12 2008-07-25 15:50:55

choad wrote:

In council and court rooms across the country, reporters had your back and the suits in the boardroom could fuck themselves if they didn't like it. The were working stiffs who gave a shit.

Yeah, and at some point they STOPPED, and now the papers are dying.  They brought it on themselves.

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#13 2008-07-25 16:06:33

The working stiffs didn't stop, Jesus. Corporate greed took over the industry pushing out those who cared.  I left my job covering county and state government because more and more responsibilities were being piled on top of me, severely undercutting my ability to fulfill my responsibilities. After I left, the paper didn't hire a new reporter to replace me, they piled all my work on top of another reporter with beats of her own to cover already.

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#14 2008-07-25 16:15:00

orangeplus wrote:

They were working stiff who gave a shit about their job, not about my back. I am far far better informed with a far better amount and quality of opinion and news than I ever got from dead trees.

There are dedicated professionals and Geraldo assholes in all walks of life; teachers, cops, clergy, anywhere you care to look.

That news and opinion you value is already all but 100% public relations product placement and the latest peducator scandal. How dumb can Piggsburg get?

Seriously, O+. Where do you think you'll get your news?

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#15 2008-07-25 16:25:52

I think you guys have a romantic notion of a profession you belonged to, but it never deserved.

As for where I get my news from, my sources are as large as the world, and with the advent of blogs, indymedia and news aggregators it's got a lot less corporate product than anything I can get from a dead tree source.

and as a final note, I'm pretty sure the general public never had the high opinion of journalism that journalists have, and it's not the public that was wrong.

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#16 2008-07-25 16:31:13

orangeplus wrote:

choad wrote:

The were working stiffs who gave a shit. Sorry, O+, they're gone now and you got nobody.

They were working stiff who gave a shit about their job, not about my back. I am far far better informed with a far better amount and quality of opinion and news than I ever got from dead trees.

You're welcome to your feelings, but I do not morn, and do not see an apocalypse. What I see are professionals decrying the death of the medium they were comfortable with, nothing more.

And Choad forgets he is the New and Improved Ultimate Supreme Ruler of the creepiest corner of the awful new medium where we publish the ugliest truths possible.

He's still a newsman.

Too bad there's no money in it.

I mean fuck, would it kill you all to buy a dildo? It's not like I can see your orders.

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#17 2008-07-25 16:43:07

sofaking wrote:

I mean fuck, would it kill you all to buy a dildo? It's not like I can see your orders.

Sorry, I'm afraid the dildo market dropped off here when Horse went on sabbatical.

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#18 2008-07-25 16:45:06

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I mean fuck, would it kill you all to buy a dildo? It's not like I can see your orders.

Got any of them pocket pussies?  Feisty refuses to respond to my emails.

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#19 2008-07-25 16:47:13

Sorry sweets, I live a block away from Good Vibes, gotta protect our local businesses! (and thus saving this thread from being a total cakefart)

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#20 2008-07-25 16:54:02

sofaking wrote:

orangeplus wrote:

choad wrote:

The were working stiffs who gave a shit. Sorry, O+, they're gone now and you got nobody.

They were working stiff who gave a shit about their job, not about my back. I am far far better informed with a far better amount and quality of opinion and news than I ever got from dead trees.

You're welcome to your feelings, but I do not morn, and do not see an apocalypse. What I see are professionals decrying the death of the medium they were comfortable with, nothing more.

And Choad forgets he is the New and Improved Ultimate Supreme Ruler of the creepiest corner of the awful new medium where we publish the ugliest truths possible.

He's still a newsman.

Too bad there's no money in it.

I mean fuck, would it kill you all to buy a dildo? It's not like I can see your orders.

I'm into fisting, so I don't really need one.

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#21 2008-07-25 17:51:51

Scotty wrote:

sofaking wrote:

I mean fuck, would it kill you all to buy a dildo? It's not like I can see your orders.

Got any of them pocket pussies?  Feisty refuses to respond to my emails.

We got it all.

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#22 2008-07-25 18:18:19

I mean fuck, would it kill you all to buy a dildo? It's not like I can see your orders.

I give you my word, when my current VibeMastr9000 goes kaput (and they always do; the damn things are shoddily made because they figure you'll be too embarrassed to complain) your establishment will become the only place I will go for sexual enhancement accessories.  You'll get every dime of my dildo dollar from now until I die.

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#23 2008-07-25 18:20:02

George Orr wrote:

I mean fuck, would it kill you all to buy a dildo? It's not like I can see your orders.

I give you my word, when my current VibeMastr9000 goes kaput (and they always do; the damn things are shoddily made because they figure you'll be too embarrassed to complain) your establishment will become the only place I will go for sexual enhancement accessories.  You'll get every dime of my dildo dollar from now until I die.

Husband on the road alot?

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#24 2008-07-25 18:30:33

Not a whole lot, no.  It's just one of those appliances you always have around just in case.

And by "you" I mean, of course "I" and by "around" I mean "well hidden so nobody's feelings get hurt."

I expect that somewhere in our home there's some other, um, material that is well hidden so that my feelings don't get hurt.  In case you didn't know, this is part of being married.

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#25 2008-07-25 21:51:15

I have never known newspapers (with the exceptions of NYT and WSJ) to be other than mediums for the conveyance of department store advertisements and mild cultural propaganda.  They're useful for lining the bottom of the snake-feeding tank, and that's really about it.

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